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[Lukasz Janik]

I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz

[Oleg Kaizerman]

so , you using low output microphone , try neuman 150 you will need to go
out the trim :-)

"Lukasz Janik" <wookosh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[quote]I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz[/quote]

[Charles Tomaras]

"Lukasz Janik" <wookosh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[quote]I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz
[/quote]
I'm usually operating with the input trim around 2 - 3 pm and the channel
fader at around 2pm for my CMIT's. With CMC6/MKxx caps it's usually a bit
less because I generally use a cut1 which boosts the gain some.

These levels work for me in a -20 = 0 configuration with peaks up in the -5
range.

[Joaquin]

My CCM41 I tend to use with the trim up around 4-5pm and channel fader at
12pm and this sits nicely with the 442 pfl which I often use for soloing and
my 744T levels from the 442 direct outs. Although using the channel fader at
2-3pm has the advantage of not hitting the rather steep knee at about 9.30pm
though I often have to set my alarm for 6am with maximum gain.........


"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
"Lukasz Janik" <wookosh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz

I'm usually operating with the input trim around 2 - 3 pm and the channel
fader at around 2pm for my CMIT's. With CMC6/MKxx caps it's usually a bit
less because I generally use a cut1 which boosts the gain some.

These levels work for me in a -20 = 0 configuration with peaks up in
the -5 range.
[/quote]

[rich]

i often find with my ccm41 that i have the gain fully cranked. the ccm
is 3mv less sensitive than the cmit.
fortunately the ccm is a quiet mic. as long as it sound good, then it
is good as far as im concerned

[freeheel]

Sennheisers need to be cranked too.. 416s and mkh 50s
I've stopped worrying about it since the noise floors are fine.

[Gtrew]

On May 23, 1:38 pm, freeheel <freeheelin...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
[quote]Sennheisers need to be cranked too..  416s and mkh 50s
I've stopped worrying about it since the noise floors are fine.
[/quote]
Where are your fader knobs positioned?

The MK60 and 416 are hot enough that you should not have to have the
input trim (gain, on the 442) fully open. With the gain properly set
for adequate headroom, the fader knob should usually be around 2-3
o'clock.

Glen trew

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:05:30 -0400, Charles Tomaras wrote
(in article <hYBZj.123513$Ft5.38289@newsfe15.lga>):

[quote]
"Lukasz Janik" <wookosh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:307d57ad-0563-4f69-9578-1d4af4d1812f@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz

I'm usually operating with the input trim around 2 - 3 pm and the channel
fader at around 2pm for my CMIT's. With CMC6/MKxx caps it's usually a bit
less because I generally use a cut1 which boosts the gain some.

These levels work for me in a -20 = 0 configuration with peaks up in the -5
range.


[/quote]
Same here. Shocking that two coasts should agree!

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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[Charles Tomaras]

"Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:05:30 -0400, Charles Tomaras wrote
(in article <hYBZj.123513$Ft5.38289@newsfe15.lga>):


"Lukasz Janik" <wookosh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz

I'm usually operating with the input trim around 2 - 3 pm and the channel
fader at around 2pm for my CMIT's. With CMC6/MKxx caps it's usually a bit
less because I generally use a cut1 which boosts the gain some.

These levels work for me in a -20 = 0 configuration with peaks up in
the -5
range.



Same here. Shocking that two coasts should agree!

Regards,

Ty Ford
[/quote]
Remember Ty....I set my levels three hours earlier than you do.

Charlie - Seattle

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:14 -0400, Charles Tomaras wrote
(in article <2OCdnUW0k_KxhKrVnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@comcast.com>):

[quote]Same here. Shocking that two coasts should agree!

Regards,

Ty Ford

Remember Ty....I set my levels three hours earlier than you do.

Charlie - Seattle
[/quote]
Damn! Screwed by the sidereal offset again!

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Jason]

Nice to read all this... I was beginning to worry seeing as I have to
do the same with my 416 & Neumann KM185 too.

Quick question though:

I sometimes back off the mic-gain a bit to avoid hitting the input
limiters (which I don't like the sound of to be honest), & then
increase the fader to 2pm-ish to compensate for the drop in level,
just like some of you have suggested here. BUT... doesn't doing it
this way around induce some additional gain-noise from the fader-boost
seeing as you're above 0db on the fader knob? Or is everything in the
442 so quiet that it doesn't matter?

(Excuse my lack of experience on the 442 with this point... I'm used
to my old SQN, which never seemed to present me with this kind of gain
issue.)

Many thanks,

Jason

[freeheel]

[quote]usual structure is gain trim at 3 or 4 o'clock, channel fader at 2 or and master fader at 2 o'clock. With low talkers and/or distance this sometimes goes to 5 o'clock trim, 4 o'clock channel fader and 3 or 4 o'clock at the master fader
[/quote]

[quote]Where are your fader knobs positioned?

Glen trew[/quote]

[Jason Porter]

I found that the 442 always needed to be cranked up to get proper
levels with my Schoeps (Blue dot) or my Lectro Rx's. My 302 seems to
play nicer with all of my mics (and sound better...is it just me??)
Schoeps is usually around 1-3 o'clock, fader at "0"

-Jason

On May 23, 11:32 am, Lukasz Janik <wook...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz[/quote]

[Guest]

On May 23, 6:07 pm, Jason Porter <sound.mi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I found that the 442 always needed to be cranked up to get proper
levels with my Schoeps (Blue dot) or my Lectro Rx's.  My 302 seems to
play nicer with all of my mics (and sound better...is it just me??)
Schoeps is usually around 1-3 o'clock, fader at "0"

-Jason

On May 23, 11:32 am, Lukasz Janik <wook...@earthlink.net> wrote:



I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?

lukasz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
I'm surprised no one has mentioned gain staging with the 442 or any
mixer that has input trims. First rule has always been to set your
input level with the trims and listen & look at the metering in the
PFL or Solo position. Then as you know bring up the channel fader to
match the trim level. Obviously it's going to vary according to how
loud or soft the "talent" is talking.

With a mixer as quiet as the 442, I've never worried about any excess
noise from running wide open if required. My main mic is the
Sennheiser MKH 50 which to me has more than enough output so that
where the trim and gain are set are never a concern. Basically I just
set the pots to give me the results I want and don't worry about it.


Eric

[Matt Mayer]

audioetc@bellsouth.net wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 6:07 pm, Jason Porter <sound.mi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I found that the 442 always needed to be cranked up to get proper
levels with my Schoeps (Blue dot) or my Lectro Rx's. My 302 seems to
play nicer with all of my mics (and sound better...is it just me??)
Schoeps is usually around 1-3 o'clock, fader at "0"

-Jason

On May 23, 11:32 am, Lukasz Janik <wook...@earthlink.net> wrote:



I use all Schoeps mics, CMIT and capsules, and whenever I use them
with my 442 I have to crank the gain to almost maximum to get a usable
signal, anyone else see this?
lukasz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'm surprised no one has mentioned gain staging with the 442 or any
mixer that has input trims. First rule has always been to set your
input level with the trims and listen & look at the metering in the
PFL or Solo position. Then as you know bring up the channel fader to
match the trim level. Obviously it's going to vary according to how
loud or soft the "talent" is talking.

With a mixer as quiet as the 442, I've never worried about any excess
noise from running wide open if required. My main mic is the
Sennheiser MKH 50 which to me has more than enough output so that
where the trim and gain are set are never a concern. Basically I just
set the pots to give me the results I want and don't worry about it.


Eric

[/quote]
Pretty much what Eric said.

With the input trim properly set, and the pan control center, the fader
control should be at 12 o'clock. You can confirm this by toggling the
solo switch and looking at the input signal on the meter.

IIRC, panning hard right or left will give you a signal boost of about
6dB, so you can run your input trim lower if you like.

Also, remember that the gain range of the input trim is -22dB to -60 dB.
Given that the nominal level of a mic input is -50dB, running the
input trim past 3 O'clock isn't really that worrisome. You are simply
riding it at a nominal mic input level.

---Matt